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• Can someone explain this part to me?:

"Each wrinkler considers the full Wither rate to be the rate that it sucks at, not just its individual 5%, for the purposes of calculating how many cookies you receive when popped. Thus, as the number of Wrinklers grows, the amount of cookies found after popping them begins to increase quickly.  A single Wrinkler gives an effective 0.5% boost to CpS, though the effect is not visible until the Wrinkler is popped.  Because of the stacking effect, a full 10 Wrinklers give a combined 6x boost to CpS, although, once again, the benefit is not noticed until the Wrinklers are popped."

For example, how it will be with 1 million CpS and two wrinklers?

• I can bet u this isnt right but ive tried a calculator and it seems to be

1,010,000 cps...

or 1.01 mil.

• With 1m CPS, each wrinkler is consuming 50k cookies per second (5% of 1m). Two wrinklers are eating a total of 100k cookies per second. Your CPS will display 900k. Popping a wrinkler gives you back the cookies they consume PLUS a 10% boost of what they ate (essentially each wrinkler is giving 55k per second). Thus, every second with 2 wrinklers, you are making, theoretically:

900k + (55k * 2) = 900k + 110k = 1.01m cookies

• 76.91.228.30 wrote:
With 1m CPS, each wrinkler is consuming 50k cookies per second (5% of 1m). Two wrinklers are eating a total of 100k cookies per second. Your CPS will display 900k. Popping a wrinkler gives you back the cookies they consume PLUS a 10% boost of what they ate (essentially each wrinkler is giving 55k per second). Thus, every second with 2 wrinklers, you are making, theoretically:

900k + (55k * 2) = 900k + 110k = 1.01m cookies

I think the page was trying to say that EACH wrinkler takes the full bonus of the withering, and thus in your scenario,both wrinklers would get 10% instead of both getting 5%

900k + (110k * 2) = 900k + 220k = 1.12m cps

this is according to what the page says, and may not be actually true

• 24.209.161.98 wrote:
76.91.228.30 wrote:
With 1m CPS, each wrinkler is consuming 50k cookies per second (5% of 1m). Two wrinklers are eating a total of 100k cookies per second. Your CPS will display 900k. Popping a wrinkler gives you back the cookies they consume PLUS a 10% boost of what they ate (essentially each wrinkler is giving 55k per second). Thus, every second with 2 wrinklers, you are making, theoretically:

900k + (55k * 2) = 900k + 110k = 1.01m cookies

I think the page was trying to say that EACH wrinkler takes the full bonus of the withering, and thus in your scenario,both wrinklers would get 10% instead of both getting 5%

900k + (110k * 2) = 900k + 220k = 1.12m cps

this is according to what the page says, and may not be actually true

I wrote this, and then I made an account.

How would you even get to the grandmapocalypse with only 1m cps?

• Go ahead and say 1B or 1T. You'll get the same number, just with a different number of zeroes at the end.

• 24.209.161.98 wrote: I think the page was trying to say that EACH wrinkler takes the full bonus of the withering, and thus in your scenario,both wrinklers would get 10% instead of both getting 5%

900k + (110k * 2) = 900k + 220k = 1.12m cps

this is according to what the page says, and may not be actually true

Yeah, so for 10 wrinklers and 1m cps it would be:

500k + (550k * 10) = 500k + 5500k = 6m

6x boost like the wiki says.

Thanks for help!

• Hakiobo wrote:

How would you even get to the grandmapocalypse with only 1m cps?

I didn't, 1m is just round example number to make equations easier.

• (OP) I wrote a longer comment but it got deleted somehow :/ anyway thanks for help

• So... if you wait to pop the wrinklers, you get more cookies over time? How long should you wait to pop them to get the most outcome? Do they ever go away on their own?

• 75.75.81.143 wrote:
So... if you wait to pop the wrinklers, you get more cookies over time? How long should you wait to pop them to get the most outcome? Do they ever go away on their own?

They don't go away on their own: if you start Elder Pledge or Elder Covenant, they will be popped and pay out their cookies; if you close or refresh, they go away without giving you their cookies. Once you have all ten, the effect is constant, so there's not really a benefit to waiting exactly, except that to get the full effect, all ten wrinklers should be there, so I usually wait to pop them until after a few frenzies, and then I can afford to buy more buildings. Rinse and repeat.

Also, a good strategy is to buy One Mind but not Elder Pact, so that you can still get Golden Cookies while the wrinklers are there, so you can get lots of cookies from the Frenzies. Whether or not you buy Communal Brainsweep depends on whether you want more Golden Cookies or Wrath Cookies (which would give you more Elder Frenzies).

• Six times boost sounds ridiculous...

Alright, 10% boost for whatever the wrinkler consumes, right?

So, one wrinkler with an easy number (I'll use 100) of cps would be:

95+(5 X 1.1)=100.5 cps

That is a .5% increase in cps for one wrinkler.  Now with all ten wrinklers:

50+(50 X 1.1)=105 cps

That's a true 5% increase in cps.  Not the alleged six times.  The reason why my increase is so much lower is because I recoognized that ONLY the wrinkler-stolen cps is increased.  So, 50% of the cps getting a 10% increase results in a total increase of 5%.

• Are comments being deleted on this thread?  I don't see my post anymore, and the op mentioned it happening to him...

• Welp now it showed guess it was a random bug, sorry about that

• your formula is off. the way it is calculated currently would be

50+((50x1.1)x10)=600 cps

which is a 6x increase.

• 71.193.3.162 wrote:
Six times boost sounds ridiculous...

Alright, 10% boost for whatever the wrinkler consumes, right?

So, one wrinkler with an easy number (I'll use 100) of cps would be:

95+(5 X 1.1)=100.5 cps

That is a .5% increase in cps for one wrinkler.  Now with all ten wrinklers:

50+(50 X 1.1)=105 cps

That's a true 5% increase in cps.  Not the alleged six times.  The reason why my increase is so much lower is because I recoognized that ONLY the wrinkler-stolen cps is increased.  So, 50% of the cps getting a 10% increase results in a total increase of 5%.

that would be true if the game worked as logic would say it should, but it IS cookie clicker. EACH wrinkler takes the FULL amount of the withered cps, so with all 10 wrinklers each would take 50% for a total of 500%, and interest making it 550% and the nonwithered cps, 600% instead of each taking 5% for a total of 50% with interest making it 55% + the nonwithered cps for 105%

• 24.209.161.98 wrote:
71.193.3.162 wrote:
Six times boost sounds ridiculous...

Alright, 10% boost for whatever the wrinkler consumes, right?

So, one wrinkler with an easy number (I'll use 100) of cps would be:

95+(5 X 1.1)=100.5 cps

That is a .5% increase in cps for one wrinkler.  Now with all ten wrinklers:

50+(50 X 1.1)=105 cps

That's a true 5% increase in cps.  Not the alleged six times.  The reason why my increase is so much lower is because I recoognized that ONLY the wrinkler-stolen cps is increased.  So, 50% of the cps getting a 10% increase results in a total increase of 5%.

that would be true if the game worked as logic would say it should, but it IS cookie clicker. EACH wrinkler takes the FULL amount of the withered cps, so with all 10 wrinklers each would take 50% for a total of 500%, and interest making it 550% and the nonwithered cps, 600% instead of each taking 5% for a total of 50% with interest making it 55% + the nonwithered cps for 105%

• 99.126.108.55 wrote:
your formula is off. the way it is calculated currently would be

50+((50x1.1)x10)=600 cps

which is a 6x increase.

I beleive the true formula would be

c(1-0.05w)+0.055cw^2=n

w=number of wrinklers

c=cps

n=new cps

that didn't turn out quite like I expected, but it works.

• Yeah, the formula for wrinkles cps multiplier is:

0.055*n^2, where n is the number of wrinklers.

• 71.193.3.162 wrote:
Six times boost sounds ridiculous...

Alright, 10% boost for whatever the wrinkler consumes, right?

So, one wrinkler with an easy number (I'll use 100) of cps would be:

95+(5 X 1.1)=100.5 cps

That is a .5% increase in cps for one wrinkler.  Now with all ten wrinklers:

50+(50 X 1.1)=105 cps

That's a true 5% increase in cps.  Not the alleged six times.  The reason why my increase is so much lower is because I recoognized that ONLY the wrinkler-stolen cps is increased.  So, 50% of the cps getting a 10% increase results in a total increase of 5%.

Actually a better equation would be y(1-0,05x)+(x*0,05xy*1,1)

where y is your cps and x is the amount of wrinklers. So for example with 100 cps and 1 wrinkler.

100(1-0,05)+(0,05*100*1,1)

95+5*1,1=100,5

Now an example with 100 cps and 10 wrinklers.

100(1-0,05*10)+(10*0,05*10*100*1,1)

100(1-0,5)+(10*0,5*100*1,1)

50+50*110

50+550=600

• just for clarification, letting them get to the cookie then popping them is good?

• Let all ten eat the cookie. Pop them when:

- You accidentally popped one of them while clicking around (it happens a lot)

- You're going to close your browser

- It would be better off popping them and buy buildings to boost your CPS by a significant amount (Talking about an additional 3-5 Antimatters)

The only time they are bad is if you never pop them before you close your game.

• 76.91.228.30 wrote:
Let all ten eat the cookie. Pop them when:

- You accidentally popped one of them while clicking around (it happens a lot)

- You're going to close your browser

- It would be better off popping them and buy buildings to boost your CPS by a significant amount (Talking about an additional 3-5 Antimatters)

The only time they are bad is if you never pop them before you close your game.

• I will just leave my PC on for 1 week with 10 wrinklers. It's like putting money in a bank!!! THEY GIVE YOU INTREST!!!!!!! FREE COOKIES!!!!! XD

• 183.90.84.185 wrote:
I will just leave my PC on for 1 week with 10 wrinklers. It's like putting money in a bank!!! THEY GIVE YOU INTREST!!!!!!! FREE COOKIES!!!!! XD

A week is a bit long, though. I pop mine every three or four hours so I can buy another anti-matter condenser, to make more cookies for my wrinklers. So it's like compounded interest.

• Really Wrinklers give you a x1.1 multiplier on the cookies they swallow. So that means that if the Wrinkler swallowed 1m, it would be about 1.1 million you would get back.

• There's a lot of factors here that makes this a little ambitious to calculate properly.

With ten wrinklers you have a 50% wither, meaning each wrinkler consumes 50% of your total CPS, for a total of 500%. Also with a 50% wither, your CPS drops by half. So each wrinkler will be making just as much CPS as you will be. They also give back 1.1x the cookies they eat.

There's also a bunch of factors like clicking GC or WC, upgrades or building purchases while wrinklers are feeding off your big cookie, and the like.

• So i ll give my thoughts for mid-game-play now: Collecting Heavenly chips, [Playstyle: ACTIVE playstyle, NO TOOLS (No Clickbots, extensions, helpers, cheats etc.)]

I only unlock the "One mind" upgrade, which starts the Grandmapocalypse, but I dont research on (so, i dont research on "exotic nuts") This lets me have golden cookies and wrinklers at the same time: "One mind" -> Grandmatriarch status is "Awoken" -> Chance for Wrath/Red cookie is 33%. The origin chance of frenzy (*7) in a golden cookie is 47,858%, with the 33% chance of a red cookie (wherin frenzy does not appear) it drops to 31,586%. if u consider that golden/red cookies "overlap" by about 20 seconds, u can say that u are fairly in frenzy one third of the (active) playtime, which also applies to your wrinklers: 6*7/3=14 times your basis Cps (*6 from wrinklers, *7 from frenzy, /3 because frenzy is active only ~1/3rd of the time)

I m working with all upgrades for golden Cookies, so i can gain the bonuses from a frenzy + lucky or frenzy + clicking frenzy or frenzy + elder frenzy combo. Theoretically, it is best to click all cookies, red and golden, always, because the income of all cookies is added to your "total baked cookies", while the negative from "ruin" is NOT withdrawn from this total! However, in midgame there are situations where you dont want to click a red cookie: While you are building up your frenzy+lucky stack. The worst that can happen here is getting frenzy+ruin, because the *7 from "frenzy" applies to "ruin" as well as to "lucky". Wait until you have your wrinklers, then take a look at your Cps: you will want a bank/stack of Your Cps * 2 * 7 * 12000 (the *2 because of the -50% from 10 Wrinklers, skip the *2 it if u dont have Wrinklers), PLUS a bonus of ~10% of that value in case u get a "frenzy/ruin" in later gameplay.

For the start, "Christmas season" is the best starting season, for it provides the Reindeer, which can be used in a combo of frenzy+elder frenzy+reindeer (does not work with "clicking frenzy", for this bonus only applies to your clicks on the big cookie). For this, u have to let the reindeer appear shortly after a golden/red cookie. This is done by either waiting for the reindeer to jump far to the right screen side and clicking red/gold cookies fast, or by waiting during the existence of a gold/red cookie and clicking it as late as possible before the reindeer appears. Whenever u had this combo, u can switch to a season where u dont have all bonuses yet (easter / halloween) to pop the wrinklers, then switch back to christmas (care, the price for switching rises fast).

For we are talking about midgame, keep in mind that there are several upgrades that are more important than getting the next prisma: These are the "twice efficiency" upgrades for prisma and the kittens, which all about double your CPs every time. If u have lets say 30 prismas and could buy 10 more or could buy a kitten or a "twice effi" for prismas, go for the kittens/effi upgrades, for they will work like u have over 60 prismas at that time compared to before :D. Sometimes you cannot see an upgrade yet, because you do not yet have enough of the buildings needed in order to unlock the upgrade, so keep in mind at how many buildings your upgrades unlock.

After every upgrade / building u bought, recalculate your Cps*2*7*12 to see your new optimum stack/bank size. Reach this first before buying any further upgrades / buildings, so u get your maximum out of a frenzy/lucky combo. This is, after a frenzy / Elder frenzy and frenzy / clicking frenzy your main income source!

Other buildings than prisma: You might have already seen that other buildings than prisma are really uneffective, compared to Prisms. I simply level them by letting the value of the next building to buy be 90% less the next higher valued building. For example, if my next prism costs 100 T, then my next Antimatter costs 10T, my next Time machine costs 1 T, my next Portal costs 100 B and so on, except for Grandmas and Cursors, which do produce much better than other buildings. I think, leaving both of these at 1% of your next prism is fair. (This rule would apply after reachin 100 buildings of a type, because it s a bit unstable below because of the various upgrades)

I usually reset my game only if i can double my Heavenly chips by this, because this will mean double speed in the next try. Maybe i m wrong here and change this way of thinking if u have a good argument? :D

Hope u liked my small guide, c ya around ;)

• Basically do wrinklers help overall?

• when you pop them they give cookies back

• and they give more cookies back than they ate.they also have a chance of eggs at easter.wrath cookies do too so wrinklers give you an extra chance of getting eggs.

• Wait so do they increase your overall cps at after popping or no? Im on my fifth ascension and im still not sure.

• 73.148.59.142 wrote:

Wait so do they increase your overall cps at after popping or no? Im on my fifth ascension and im still not sure.

Yes, they do.

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• 76.91.228.30 wrote:
Let all ten eat the cookie. Pop them when:

- You accidentally popped one of them while clicking around (it happens a lot)

- You're going to close your browser

- It would be better off popping them and buy buildings to boost your CPS by a significant amount (Talking about an additional 3-5 Antimatters)

The only time they are bad is if you never pop them before you close your game.

Nowadays closing the browser does not delete them, and I just pop them after a while and get 2 back from casting magic spells.